I agree with Kitten. If you don't vote, then don't bitch. You're not doing anything to help the situation so stay the F*CK out of it.

Don't agree with that?

Move to china. Commie.

If you vote, and you vote for a complete failure, you're responsible for it.

You're objective and perceptive and highly intelligent, don't stoop to sensationalising things to make a point... not saying you have, just saying it's low.

I believe in the power and the strength of the individual, in that the individual has a questioning, free-thinking mind. Therefore, any consequences of their decisions are their own fault. The government doesn't need to regulate a damn thing when it comes to personal choices.

Example,

Personal safety, let's take seat belts, some people prefer not to wear one while it is the law. I think a couple a thought processes come to mind. First, if the individual made a choice not to wear it, and then has an accident whether it's his/her fault or not, thier are consequences, some of which could negativly impact the individual who did wear the seatbelt and obey the law. The driver without the seatbelt could be ejected from the car and injure the party who did wear the seatbelt. Second, the individuals who choose not to wear the seatbelt may in the long run be part of the reason medical and insurance cost are higher due to thier choices, as opposed to the individuals who did wear the seatbelt. One might think that individual choice is a personal freedom to choose whether or not to wear a safety belt and it's thier life alone that that choice may impact in the event of a crash. but based on medical, insurance and the off chance possibilty that that person becomes a missle in said crash, their choice may impact others.

Now if the system worked such that those who make those choices can offset the cost and potential negative impacts of thier personal choices, I could give two shits if they wear one or not. But in our system I don't believe that is the case, not that it couldn't be, but it's just not that way now.

Same with diet, smokeing and even sexual behaviors. If the result is higher plane ticket costs, insurance costs and health care cost for those who did not over eat, smoke and pack fudge.

I would just like the system to be fair in that regard.

Another good example might include pollution (noise, air, water and light)

Discuss

I'm going to respond to that with this:



Belief in the individual is not falsely placed. However, you must realize that the fate of a SOCIETY is at the hand of MANY individuals. The more individuals involved, the less significant a single individual becomes. If you want to continue to believe in the power of the individual, then stop putting it in the front door, or wear a rubber.

cupofsoup, any time someone dies from personal choice (eating habits, sexual behaviors, alcohol, tobacco, drugs, etc.) you can relate it to natural selection. personally i have no respect or remorse for these people as they have no respect for themselves. it's when people's personal choices affect other people that i have an issue. if your fat ass is always sick because you have a fat ass, and it's causing my healthcare rates to go up, yes, it pisses me off. if you're too stupid to stop smoking (and to even start in the first place) when there is a lable ON THE FUKCING BOX of cigarettes telling you that you will die from using this product, why the F*CK should i have to pay higher health care rates or taxes that go toward your health care because you don't make enough money to pay for it yourself when your lungs are black and you're dying?

we as a society, nationally and globally, are perpetually stupid. people want all the pleasures of sin and bad habits without the consequences. hell, we aren't even smart enough to elect smarter people to give us laws and regulations that will improve our lives!

God gave us free will, and it is our undoing.

**Edit: i didn't read the second page before typing this post. my apologies for any redundancies. Yellow_Flash_Colorz_PDT_37

No you can't. Dying from poor eating habits, sexual behaviors, alcohol, tobacco, drugs, etc. are not the result of a genetic factor. You could say that people who don't have the 411 on personality traits are being selected against, but your genetics do not define your personality.

Off topic, but most people in Greece smoke about 3 packs a day and they have one of the highest life expectancy. I think it really has to do with the American life style. I believe cigarettes are bad, but there has to be something else with it.



Natural Selection is more about survival of the fittest, and adapting to the environment. Natural Selection is not in play.

I made a long post explaining that the intent of my original post was sarcasm at the importance of who gets elected to the president because our country is a plutocracy and neither candidate or party has any intent on changing that and the real problems that plague our society are going to continue because of lack of education of the masses.

I also discussed your existential view vs. the behaviorism which is heavily embedded in our society and how difficult it is for a society which is heavily programmed to behave in a certain way can consist of truely free thinkers which are truely responsible for their own actions and their consequences.

It's unfortunate that the post was lost because I thought I made a compelling argument and explained myself thoroughly and understandably but I am definitely not going to rewrite the whole thing.

My posts are normally not sensationalist but again I was up for 28 hours and I was a little out of it and I disagree that my statements were platitudes. I feel that too much emphasis is placed on certain government actions while other actions and inactions of the government are ignored by the public.

yes, it is in play. survival of the FITTEST. these people choose to not be fit, choose to keep bad habits, and are all around f-king stupid. therefore they are dying sooner and have less of a chance to propagate. natural selection is definitely at play.

I agree with the natural selection argument.

And yes, this society is in the hands of the individual, however, when said individual is 17 like me, you don't have much of a voice.

so survive, gain wisdom with your years, multiply with someone like-minded and intelligent, and NEVER shut the F*CK up about your beliefs and cares. your voice(s) will be heard.

I don't intend to.

O'Rly? He told me something different, lets just say the joke is on us...

"God" also gave us rights, so why do different countries have a different number of different rights?

I just fapped for the fourth time today.

Now, my record to beat for November 4th is five faps.

You guys are hilarious with all these supposed rights

God didn't give us rights. we gave each other rights, and wrongs...

Then what about the people who chain smoke menthols and live to be 100? What about people who die in the services? Yes, from a closed window it can seem as if natural selection is in play. However, believe it or not people who do stupid things have been alive for millenia.

you are correct, ryan. stupid people have found a way to survive throughout the ages. (you can't count people who die in wars or at the hands of other individuals as part of natural selection. it's only when people who die of their own accord from making poor decisions.) people who beat the odds on smoking or eating mcdonalds 3 times a day are, in my opinion, lucky.