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Judicator
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 Top Republican: Palin Unqualified
Top republican says Palin unready Yellow_Flash_Colorz_PDT_30
The senior Republican senator, Chuck Hagel, says Palin "doesn't have any foreign policy credentials."
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hXPy ... wD9396LQG4
http://blogs.reuters.com/trail08/2008/0 ... xperience/
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/pol ... tions.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7623771.stm
Senior Republican Senator Chuck Hagel has voiced doubts about Sarah Palin's qualifications for the vice-presidency.
John McCain's running mate "doesn't have any foreign policy credentials", Mr Hagel told the Omaha World-Herald.
Mr Hagel was a prominent supporter of Mr McCain during his 2000 bid for the US presidency, but has declined to endorse either candidate this year.
He was opposed to the Iraq War, and recently joined Mr McCain's rival Barack Obama on a Middle East trip.
'Stop the nonsense'
"I think it's a stretch to, in any way, to say that she's got the experience to be president of the United States," Mr Hagel told the Omaha World-Herald newspaper.
And he was dismissive of the fact that Mrs Palin, the governor of Alaska, has made few trips abroad.
"You get a passport for the first time in your life last year? I mean, I don't know what you can say. You can't say anything."
Mr Hagel also criticised the McCain campaign for its suggestion that the proximity of Alaska to Russia gave Mrs Palin foreign policy experience.
"I think they ought to be just honest about it and stop the nonsense about, 'I look out my window and I see Russia and so therefore I know something about Russia'," he said.
"That kind of thing is insulting to the American people."
BBC North America editor Justin Webb says Mr Hagel's opinion of Mrs Palin will have an effect on independent voters.
A senior member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Mr Hagel was a close ally of Mr McCain, but the two men parted company over the decision to go to war in Iraq.
Mr Hagel skipped this year's Republican National Convention in favour of a visit to Latin America.
Mr Hagel's decision to accompany Mr Obama this summer on a trip to Iraq and Israel, as part of a US Congressional delegation, led to speculation that he would throw his support behind the Democratic nominee.
However, a spokesman for the Nebraska senator insisted in August that "Senator Hagel has no intention of getting involved in any of the campaigns and is not planning to endorse either candidate".
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CorpseHumper
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Quit reading euro-news you whore.
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but I have the necessary smilies :/
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CorpseHumper
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One day when you're all grown up and paying taxes, your opinion will change.
We will try to NOT hold this against you when that days finally comes.
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Judicator
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What's paying taxes have to do with Palin's foreign policy experience? And I don't know why pointing out contradictions within one party automatically labels me as a bleeding-heart liberal...it's just that Durango's pretty much got the other side covered.
Too bad the state of US politics makes it impossible for an independent candidate to be viable.
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http://www.time.com/time/politics/artic ... html?imw=Y
Obama's Foreign-Policy Problem
Foreign policy experience — or rather his lack of it — has been one of the chief arguments used against Barack Obama in his run for the Democratic Presidential nomination. In endorsing his rival Hillary Clinton this week, the Des Moines Register called Obama "inspirational," but worried that "with his relative inexperience, it's hard to feel as confident he could accomplish the daunting agenda that lies ahead." Clinton herself has criticized Obama sharply for his suggestion that the four years he spent living in Indonesia as a child helped him develop a world view and gives him credence on the world stage. "Voters will judge whether living in a foreign country at the age of 10 prepares one to face the big, complex international challenges the next President will face," Clinton, the former First Lady who has spent seven years on the Senate Armed Services Committee, told supporters Nov. 20 in Shenandoah, Iowa. "I think we need a President with more experience than that."
Some would argue that his childhood experiences, as well as his mixed heritage (his father was Kenyan, his mother from Kansas), gives him a better inner compass on foreign policy than most Americans. They cite the pioneering work of Ruth Hill Useem, the late sociologist of Michigan State University, who spent her career studying what she called Third Culture Kids — the millions of U.S. children (an estimated 20 million since the advent of mass air travel) who have been carted abroad by their missionary, diplomatic, corporate or military parents. These frequent-flier kids don't spend enough time in their adopted countries to become fully bicultural, but they take pieces and add it to their home values and traditions — creating millions of "Third Cultures." Studies have shows that kids who have spent time abroad are more likely to go to college, to relate to one another despite the influences of vastly differing cultures, and to latch on to one aspect of their culture — in Obama's case African Americanism.
"Living abroad does give you a wider view of the world," says Zbigniew Brzezinski, former National Security Adviser under Jimmy Carter, and a Polish-American who spent four years as a child living in Germany with his diplomat father. Obama is "a person with genuine sensitivity of world affairs," says Brzenzinski, who is supporting Obama. "It's not the conventional mouthing of culture sensitivities." Brzezinski points to Obama's greater willingness to meet leaders of hostile nations and his early resistance to the war in Iraq as examples of his superior intuition on foreign policy.
"The day I'm inaugurated, not only will the country look at itself differently, but the world will look at America differently," Obama told an audience in Audubon, Iowa, last month, "because not only do I have the experience of working at the highest levels of government on foreign policy but also because the leaders of others counties will know that I've got family members that live in small villages in Africa that are poor so I know what they're going through." It is an argument he has made in most of his stump speeches lately, as he tries to show that his judgment trumps the years of foreign policy experience of men like Vice President Dick Cheney and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, who led us into the war in Iraq. In an effort to underline his foreign policy credentials, Obama called a foreign-policy forum today in Iowa with three former Clinton Administration officials who have endorsed his candidacy.
Obama's multicultural background has, of course, been used against him in other ways, notably with a barrage of e-mail attacks that charged (inaccurately) that as a child living in Indonesia Obama was a practicing Muslim. Two Clinton volunteers have been fired for their role in forwarding the e-mails. But Obama has tried to turn the issue around to his advantage. "I've lived in Muslim countries, even while I'm Christian, so I know how they're thinking about issues," Obama says in his typical stump speech. Electing a President that has lived in a Muslim country "could not be a more effective message that we are breaking from Bush and Cheney policies. And it will make us more safe. It will give me more credibility on the world stage than any other candidate that is running."
Obama's years living in Indonesia, moreover, have made him the most popular U.S. politician in Southeast Asia. When prominent Indonesians visit the U.S., the first person they want to meet is Obama, says Parnohadiningrat Sudjadnan, the Indonesian ambassador to the U.S. "Back home people think of him as one of us, or at least one who understands us," he says, adding that they are delighted to find that Obama speaks passable Bahasa, the language spoken in Indonesia and Malaysia. The international fascination with Obama was on full display when Obama launched his campaign last February and media from more than 60 countries flew in to Springfield, Ill., to cover the event.
And, while his biography still leaves many skeptical of his foreign policy credentials, at least some voters are drawn to Obama because of his time abroad. "I lived abroad as a young child and I know what a lasting impact on the way I looked at the world," said Rebecca Hutchinson, 54, from Deerfield, New Hampshire, after attending a house party for Obama in August. Hutchinson, who works on the Democratic staff of the New Hampshire House Minority Leader — a Clinton supporter —spent third and fourth grades in Pakistan, and she sees Obama as the only candidate who can undo the damage done by the Bush Administration to America's reputation in the world. "Life experience is a really important factor for me. And the fact that he's lived abroad and the fact that he has family in different arenas gives him perspective and will help him makes decisions on the world stage."
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DurangoKiD
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http://usforeignpolicy.about.com/od/200 ... chagel.htm
Hagel Foreign Policy Positions:
Hagel voted in favor of the Iraq War resolution but has since become one of the most outspoken Republican critics of the war. He said the decision to send 21,500 more troops into Iraq "...represents the most dangerous foreign policy blunder in this country since Vietnam." Hagel advocates talks with Iran and has been a leader on immigration reform. He has been an advocate for international human rights and for greater funding of the U.S. international affairs budget.
Sounds like Hagel was in the same boat with Obama when it came to the surge strategy... Poor decisions... I bet he would support Obamas Global Poverty Bill costing us another $850+ billions dollars... Yellow_Flash_Colorz_PDT_32
http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Chuck_Hagel.htm
and he Voted YES on allowing illegal aliens to participate in Social Security.
Voted YES on giving Guest Workers a path to citizenship.
Voted YES on allowing more foreign workers into the US for farm work.
Rated 16% by USBC, indicating an open-border stance.
Hagel scores 16% by USBC on immigration issues
OnTheIssues.org interprets the 2005-2006 USBC scores as follows:
0%-30%: open-border stance (approx. 197 members)
30%-70%: mixed record on open borders (approx. 70 members)
70%-100%: sealed-border stance (approx. 202 members)
About USBC (from their website, www.usbc.org):
http://ontheissues.org/2008/Chuck_Hagel_Immigration.htm
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Judicator
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DurangoKiD wrote: http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1695803,00.html?imw=Y
Obama's Foreign-Policy Problem
Foreign policy experience — or rather his lack of it — has been one of the chief arguments used against Barack Obama in his run for the Democratic Presidential nomination. In endorsing his rival Hillary Clinton this week, the Des Moines Register called Obama "inspirational," but worried that "with his relative inexperience, it's hard to feel as confident he could accomplish the daunting agenda that lies ahead." Clinton herself has criticized Obama sharply for his suggestion that the four years he spent living in Indonesia as a child helped him develop a world view and gives him credence on the world stage. "Voters will judge whether living in a foreign country at the age of 10 prepares one to face the big, complex international challenges the next President will face," Clinton, the former First Lady who has spent seven years on the Senate Armed Services Committee, told supporters Nov. 20 in Shenandoah, Iowa. "I think we need a President with more experience than that."
Some would argue that his childhood experiences, as well as his mixed heritage (his father was Kenyan, his mother from Kansas), gives him a better inner compass on foreign policy than most Americans. They cite the pioneering work of Ruth Hill Useem, the late sociologist of Michigan State University, who spent her career studying what she called Third Culture Kids — the millions of U.S. children (an estimated 20 million since the advent of mass air travel) who have been carted abroad by their missionary, diplomatic, corporate or military parents. These frequent-flier kids don't spend enough time in their adopted countries to become fully bicultural, but they take pieces and add it to their home values and traditions — creating millions of "Third Cultures." Studies have shows that kids who have spent time abroad are more likely to go to college, to relate to one another despite the influences of vastly differing cultures, and to latch on to one aspect of their culture — in Obama's case African Americanism.
"Living abroad does give you a wider view of the world," says Zbigniew Brzezinski, former National Security Adviser under Jimmy Carter, and a Polish-American who spent four years as a child living in Germany with his diplomat father. Obama is "a person with genuine sensitivity of world affairs," says Brzenzinski, who is supporting Obama. "It's not the conventional mouthing of culture sensitivities." Brzezinski points to Obama's greater willingness to meet leaders of hostile nations and his early resistance to the war in Iraq as examples of his superior intuition on foreign policy.
"The day I'm inaugurated, not only will the country look at itself differently, but the world will look at America differently," Obama told an audience in Audubon, Iowa, last month, "because not only do I have the experience of working at the highest levels of government on foreign policy but also because the leaders of others counties will know that I've got family members that live in small villages in Africa that are poor so I know what they're going through." It is an argument he has made in most of his stump speeches lately, as he tries to show that his judgment trumps the years of foreign policy experience of men like Vice President d**k Cheney and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, who led us into the war in Iraq. In an effort to underline his foreign policy credentials, Obama called a foreign-policy forum today in Iowa with three former Clinton Administration officials who have endorsed his candidacy.
Obama's multicultural background has, of course, been used against him in other ways, notably with a barrage of e-mail attacks that charged (inaccurately) that as a child living in Indonesia Obama was a practicing Muslim. Two Clinton volunteers have been fired for their role in forwarding the e-mails. But Obama has tried to turn the issue around to his advantage. "I've lived in Muslim countries, even while I'm Christian, so I know how they're thinking about issues," Obama says in his typical stump speech. Electing a President that has lived in a Muslim country "could not be a more effective message that we are breaking from Bush and Cheney policies. And it will make us more safe. It will give me more credibility on the world stage than any other candidate that is running."
Obama's years living in Indonesia, moreover, have made him the most popular U.S. politician in Southeast Asia. When prominent Indonesians visit the U.S., the first person they want to meet is Obama, says Parnohadiningrat Sudjadnan, the Indonesian ambassador to the U.S. "Back home people think of him as one of us, or at least one who understands us," he says, adding that they are delighted to find that Obama speaks passable Bahasa, the language spoken in Indonesia and Malaysia. The international fascination with Obama was on full display when Obama launched his campaign last February and media from more than 60 countries flew in to Springfield, Ill., to cover the event.
And, while his biography still leaves many skeptical of his foreign policy credentials, at least some voters are drawn to Obama because of his time abroad. "I lived abroad as a young child and I know what a lasting impact on the way I looked at the world," said Rebecca Hutchinson, 54, from Deerfield, New Hampshire, after attending a house party for Obama in August. Hutchinson, who works on the Democratic staff of the New Hampshire House Minority Leader — a Clinton supporter —spent third and fourth grades in Pakistan, and she sees Obama as the only candidate who can undo the damage done by the Bush Administration to America's reputation in the world. "Life experience is a really important factor for me. And the fact that he's lived abroad and the fact that he has family in different arenas gives him perspective and will help him makes decisions on the world stage."
The line you bolded at the end is by an Obama supporter explaining that because of her time abroad, her perspective tells her that Obama will be better suited at attempting to heal the rampant anti-americanism seen across the world.
Anyways, I don't think Obama has much foreign policy experience.
However:
1) The article I posted was a reply to people saying "Palin has more foreign policy experience than Obama," which just isn't true.
2) The person with the most foreign policy experience in the two major party campaigns is Biden, Obama's running mate.
3) John McCain doesn't really have that much foreign policy experience himself. He was in the armed forces. A great service to the country, yes...a qualification on foreign policy, no.
Presidents don't make any foreign policy decisions alone. They have advisors, cabinet members, and VPs helping them along. That's why I think Obama paired with Biden is AT LEAST just as qualified as McCain/Palin in terms of foreign policy.
Also, attacking Hagel's various stances on issues doesn't refute the logic behind his statements on Palin's foreign policy EXPERIENCE.
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If the only thing you're worried about in this election is how much you're going to pay in taxes, I have good news for you:
They are going up regardless of who we put in office!
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Judicator wrote: but I have the necessary smilies :/
I was laughing.
Then I read that.
I F*CKING lost it.
Thank you.
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DurangoKiD wrote: http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1695803,00.html?imw=Y
Obama's Foreign-Policy Problem
Foreign policy experience — or rather his lack of it — has been one of the chief arguments used against Barack Obama in his run for the Democratic Presidential nomination. In endorsing his rival Hillary Clinton this week, the Des Moines Register called Obama "inspirational," but worried that "with his relative inexperience, it's hard to feel as confident he could accomplish the daunting agenda that lies ahead." Clinton herself has criticized Obama sharply for his suggestion that the four years he spent living in Indonesia as a child helped him develop a world view and gives him credence on the world stage. "Voters will judge whether living in a foreign country at the age of 10 prepares one to face the big, complex international challenges the next President will face," Clinton, the former First Lady who has spent seven years on the Senate Armed Services Committee, told supporters Nov. 20 in Shenandoah, Iowa. "I think we need a President with more experience than that."
Some would argue that his childhood experiences, as well as his mixed heritage (his father was Kenyan, his mother from Kansas), gives him a better inner compass on foreign policy than most Americans. They cite the pioneering work of Ruth Hill Useem, the late sociologist of Michigan State University, who spent her career studying what she called Third Culture Kids — the millions of U.S. children (an estimated 20 million since the advent of mass air travel) who have been carted abroad by their missionary, diplomatic, corporate or military parents. These frequent-flier kids don't spend enough time in their adopted countries to become fully bicultural, but they take pieces and add it to their home values and traditions — creating millions of "Third Cultures." Studies have shows that kids who have spent time abroad are more likely to go to college, to relate to one another despite the influences of vastly differing cultures, and to latch on to one aspect of their culture — in Obama's case African Americanism.
"Living abroad does give you a wider view of the world," says Zbigniew Brzezinski, former National Security Adviser under Jimmy Carter, and a Polish-American who spent four years as a child living in Germany with his diplomat father. Obama is "a person with genuine sensitivity of world affairs," says Brzenzinski, who is supporting Obama. "It's not the conventional mouthing of culture sensitivities." Brzezinski points to Obama's greater willingness to meet leaders of hostile nations and his early resistance to the war in Iraq as examples of his superior intuition on foreign policy.
"The day I'm inaugurated, not only will the country look at itself differently, but the world will look at America differently," Obama told an audience in Audubon, Iowa, last month, "because not only do I have the experience of working at the highest levels of government on foreign policy but also because the leaders of others counties will know that I've got family members that live in small villages in Africa that are poor so I know what they're going through." It is an argument he has made in most of his stump speeches lately, as he tries to show that his judgment trumps the years of foreign policy experience of men like Vice President d**k Cheney and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, who led us into the war in Iraq. In an effort to underline his foreign policy credentials, Obama called a foreign-policy forum today in Iowa with three former Clinton Administration officials who have endorsed his candidacy.
Obama's multicultural background has, of course, been used against him in other ways, notably with a barrage of e-mail attacks that charged (inaccurately) that as a child living in Indonesia Obama was a practicing Muslim. Two Clinton volunteers have been fired for their role in forwarding the e-mails. But Obama has tried to turn the issue around to his advantage. "I've lived in Muslim countries, even while I'm Christian, so I know how they're thinking about issues," Obama says in his typical stump speech. Electing a President that has lived in a Muslim country "could not be a more effective message that we are breaking from Bush and Cheney policies. And it will make us more safe. It will give me more credibility on the world stage than any other candidate that is running."
Obama's years living in Indonesia, moreover, have made him the most popular U.S. politician in Southeast Asia. When prominent Indonesians visit the U.S., the first person they want to meet is Obama, says Parnohadiningrat Sudjadnan, the Indonesian ambassador to the U.S. "Back home people think of him as one of us, or at least one who understands us," he says, adding that they are delighted to find that Obama speaks passable Bahasa, the language spoken in Indonesia and Malaysia. The international fascination with Obama was on full display when Obama launched his campaign last February and media from more than 60 countries flew in to Springfield, Ill., to cover the event.
And, while his biography still leaves many skeptical of his foreign policy credentials, at least some voters are drawn to Obama because of his time abroad. "I lived abroad as a young child and I know what a lasting impact on the way I looked at the world," said Rebecca Hutchinson, 54, from Deerfield, New Hampshire, after attending a house party for Obama in August. Hutchinson, who works on the Democratic staff of the New Hampshire House Minority Leader — a Clinton supporter —spent third and fourth grades in Pakistan, and she sees Obama as the only candidate who can undo the damage done by the Bush Administration to America's reputation in the world. "Life experience is a really important factor for me. And the fact that he's lived abroad and the fact that he has family in different arenas gives him perspective and will help him makes decisions on the world stage."
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JFOBP wrote: If the only thing you're worried about in this election is how much you're going to pay in taxes, I have good news for you:
They are going up regardless of who we put in office!
http://chartjunk.karmanaut.com/taxplans/
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If McCain dies in office, we're stuck with green wood. If Obama dies in office, we're stuck with an aged oak.
Either way, I'm getting wood.
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madcoweater wrote: JFOBP wrote: If the only thing you're worried about in this election is how much you're going to pay in taxes, I have good news for you:
They are going up regardless of who we put in office! http://chartjunk.karmanaut.com/taxplans/
Just a FYI, there are 2 of those "charts" out and they are both bullshit since neither candidate has a actual tax plan out.
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JFOBP wrote: Just a FYI, there are 2 of those "charts" out and they are both bullshit since neither candidate has a actual tax plan out.
If you really feel that way you may as well flip a coin because neither candidate has a "plan" on anything then.
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trust me, obama has less of a plan. all he says is change. he never defines what that means. i've heard mccain give details about his plans for change.
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-Purple- wrote: trust me, obama has less of a plan. all he says is change. he never defines what that means. i've heard mccain give details about his plans for change.
Honestly, that's just wrong. I can understand that people don't agree with what Obama supports or that they think that hes not fit to be president but he is much much much more specific about what he intends to do than McCain.
http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/ObamaBlu ... Change.pdf
I don't expect you to read that (I haven't read all of it), but it very clearly specifies what he intends to do. McCain's plan for change is literally support for what has already been happening. I can even see arguments for the status quo on several fronts, but honestly you have to be retarded to think that McCain stands for real change.
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CorpseHumper wrote: One day when you're all grown up and paying taxes, your opinion will change.
We will try to NOT hold this against you when that days finally comes.
lmfao....nice corpse nice you were not supposed to give him any hope for the future....lol
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she said she was open to war with russia....why would you be open to war with THEM. They leveled half a city in georgia to kill a few people. They dont care about innocent people like we do =\
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