first post! I AM A HOMOSEXUAL Yellow_Flash_Colorz_PDT_02

Tune in now. also hope Teddy is ok... Yellow_Flash_Colorz_PDT_23

OMG John is kicking his ass... w00t!

Most of Obamas responses sound like he memorized his road campaigns teleprompter speil.

And how many times is he going to say John's right!

John keeps on showing his record and Obama has none, no accomplishments except being part of the problem.

"Gentlemen, ANSWER MY F*CKING QUESTION ON THE ECONOMY!!!" Yellow_Flash_Colorz_PDT_38 Yellow_Flash_Colorz_PDT_38 Yellow_Flash_Colorz_PDT_38

dude, i missed it :( shit

It is replaying right now on CNN.

About as many times as McCain said that Obama was right? Yellow_Flash_Colorz_PDT_38

I thought it was a good debate, with no clear winner. I thought Obama did better in the beginning when they were discussing the economic crisis (I think John kinda panicked when he came up with the whole freeze idea), but things shifted towards McCain when they started talking foreign policy (while I don't know if he did the best job of convincing people we need to stay in Iraq and not focus on the other countries as much, I do think he shined better overall than Obama).

I thought it was a draw, personally.

I mean, it was just the talking points being regurgitated on both sides, like most debates. The only interesting point I heard that hadn't been said a million times before was McCain suggesting a possible spending freeze on non-defense/veterans (and something else I don't remember) sectors.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ec3aC8ZJ ... -is-right/

Final count: 9 times

On spending cuts:

“Well, I think Senator McCain’s absolutely right that we need more responsibility, but we need it not just when there’s a crisis.”

On spending cuts II:

“Not willing to give up the need to do it but there may be individual components that we can’t do. But John is right we have to make cuts. We right now give $15 billion every year as subsidies to private insurers under the Medicare system. Doesn’t work any better through the private insurers. They just skim off $15 billion.”

On earmarks:

“Well, Senator McCain is absolutely right that the earmarks process has been abused, which is why I suspended any requests for my home state, whether it was for senior centers or what have you, until we cleaned it up.”

On lobbyists:

“He’s also right that oftentimes lobbyists and special interests are the ones that are introducing these kinds of requests, although that wasn’t the case with me.”

On business taxes being too high:

“Now, John mentioned the fact that business taxes on paper are high in this country, and he’s absolutely right.”

On violence in Iraq going down:

“Senator McCain is absolutely right that the violence has been reduced as a consequence of the extraordinary sacrifice of our troops and our military families.”

On POTUS needing to use prudent language: (but added after the McCain bomb, bomb Iran gaffe)

“And, John, I — you’re absolutely right that presidents have to be prudent in what they say.”

On Iraq being “difficult”:

“Now, Senator McCain is also right that it’s difficult. This is not an easy situation.”

On not tolerating Iran having nukes:

“Senator McCain is absolutely right, we cannot tolerate a nuclear Iran.”

What I found interesting was the replay on CNN, they had the little viewer line graph on the bottom of the screen and you could see the viewers feelings as the candidates talked. The first 30 minutes was related to the economy and related taxes and energy policies. Sen. McCain by my analysis won the entire debate, not only the foreign policy portion in which he displayed an overwheling knowledge, understanding and track record (specially about what he said re: Ukraine and the Russian navel presence issue). What I noticed was when Sen. McCain spoke (in substance, Sen. McCain addressed mainly differences between their respective positions) the line went up, when Barry spoke (Barry came across like a motivational speaker, his claimed affaime) the line immediately dropped back to nuetral/middle with a few exceptions around the 30 minute mark when his rah rah substance consisted of positions that both candidates agree upon (the line went very high). It was easy to see that the people agreed with McCains unique positions over Barry and Barry was only scoring points when regurgitating points where both candidates hold the same or similar positions and again it was his delivery of common positions that made the line sore, not him presenting positions in contrast to Sen. McCain.

It was painfully obvious once again that the media spin that Barack won the debate is pure political propaganda and those who would say that Obama won this debate, are totally in the tank and would never admit that Barry has no experience and no track record of accomplishments, reform and/or leadership.

On CNN they had the polls 65 to 35 percent in Obamas favor, on Fox it was 82 to 9 for McCain. Now which channel do more independents watch and whos numbers might more represent the true public opinion? Also if you look at independent results, I heard over and over that several of the undecided independent voters had now made a decision and would now be supporting and voting for John McCain. I did not hear one independent who said they had made the decision to vote for Obama resulting from the debate...

Discuss.

I only cought the last two questions of the debate, but it seemed to be that Obama was acting like a childish AFRICAN AMERICAN when McCain would make his statement.

Well obviously, Obama isn't going to deny the facts.

" the fundamentals of our economy are strong." ring a bell.

The DIFFERENCE is on how the candidates plan to fix it.

McCain can agree that the fiscal district needs more oversight. But how much did his party do to stem off this crisis when they were in control of congress from 2000-2006. I loved how Bush in his speech on Thursday tried to blame it on the Clinton administration in the 90's.

McCain and Obama can agree we need to make cuts in spending, but where are they going to cut it? I didn't hear McCain once mention education as a goal in his administration.

On the proportion of taxes paid by businesses in this country being high. Obama also stated that there are loopholes and tax breaks that allow these companies to complete circumnavigate paying them. McCain supports tax breaks for companies that move their business overseas.

Anyone can agree that our troops made the success in Iraq possible. But McCain thinks going to Iraq was still the right decision. Even though no connection has EVER been made to Saddam and WMD's or Al Qaeda. Unless you want to talk about the letters the Bush administration tried to forge to make such a connection.

Nuclear Iran? Looks like McCain just wants to ignore them while they continue on their way to establishing a nuclear program. Every day Iran is being "strategically" ignored by the Bush administration is one day closer Iran is to their goal.

McCain can say that lobbyist are an issue. But how much money has he himself accepted from lobbyist? How many lobbyist are working for his campaign?

McCain can say energy independence is a must. But how many times has he voted AGAINST tax breaks for alternative energy and FOR tax breaks for oil companies?

There is a difference in HEARING a debate and LISTENING to a debate.

Pffft


don't make me explain things, again...

Let's debate the governments failed oversight and failed intervention to prevent this crisis, I think you will find many ties to the dems. Do you want the details? I can gladly provide. Including examples of where John McCain identified this problem and attempted to prevent this from happening and the dems blocked it.

Education? This was supposed to be a foreign policy debate. What I find interesting is that EVERYBODY had the same (bad) info when they voted for the war. Obama never said Iraq was not a problem, he said he wanted to focus on his domestic and international poverty and election agenda over that of addressing Iraq at the time (go back and read his 2002 Iraq war speech transcript). And Obama still wants to go back and pretend we are not already in Iraq. It's now about future decisions that matter. Not looking back at what we did not know then. And your presentation of McCain’s position on Iran is distorted.

Let's talk about lobbyist/money and advisors as well as relationship ties and associations with bad characters... Or what wasteful earmark spending and bad policy was bundled in the bills he voted against.

OMG - WTFU and GTFO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_zZKEto ... re=related

mind you the $1795 cost estimate to the tax payer if Dems programs are instituted has now risen to between $5000-$10000

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5UYNX_XGQA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HX8np6_O ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFelnyC3 ... re=related

The CNN poll I saw said 51% Obama, 38% McCain, rest undecided; I also don't know how Fox reached 101% of voters Yellow_Flash_Colorz_PDT_08

fox can do anything they are fox!

who are you to question them?

Haha, good point t3k. Did you see during the primaries when they denied Ron Paul access to the republican contender's debate they were broadcasting?

This is pretty much John McCain's answer to every question:

QFT x100.