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Author:  DaveThomas [ Thu Mar 15, 2012 9:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Css Server Additions
Hello all. I most certainly enjoy the css server the way it is yet i have a few ideas which might make it just a little better.
1. Auto Assign ONLY!!!! too many people just wait in spec to join the team they wish and inevitably stack the easy side. making it auto assign only is a simple fix.
2. I feel that there should be a 3 second countdown before each round. Everyone knows its frustrating to get out of spawn when there are 10 slow shits infront of you buying weapons. Giving a 3 second buffer is also a simple fix to the problem.
3. Map Rotation. Personally i don't mind the rotation barring a few changes. Kismayo and vertigo, while decent maps have their flaws. vertigo's background noise is terrible while kismayo has its place to be voted in. secondly i dont know who decided to go from Aztec to shitaly or the other way around but those are two lame maps in a row. id simply like a refresh of the rotation.
4.ALL TALK! while all talk is great and keeps the server energetic i feel it takes away from the strategy involved with the game. it would be nice to talk to teammates on the fly without typing. maybe implementing an RTV for all talk would be better, or if an admin wishes to then put it on.

well those are a few off the top of my head, get back to me if you concur.

Peace and burgers. Davey-T
Author:  DaveThomas [ Thu Mar 15, 2012 9:27 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Css Server Additions
ahh forgot one.
i also feel that admins give out too much money. saving money is a big part of the game itself. instead of after 4 rounds of one team winning and the others getting 16k, admins could give 5 k which is plenty of money to equip fully for a round.
i hear too many folks bitching about NEEDING money... get better you fools. dont be poor.
Author:  Zander [ Thu Mar 15, 2012 10:10 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Css Server Additions
So I agree with some of the stuff...

Auto assign is nice but some people move over so they can even the teams when there are no admins on.

The 3 second countdown would be very nice, I very much agree with this but it might be a huge hassle I dont have any idea about that.

map rotation is talked about to much, its a map...its on a pub server.

all talk...its a pub server the point to talk crap to each other and have fun with friends, if you dont want that go scrim a 5v5

and the money thing...it depends upon the admin, usually in my opinion i would give money out if a team has lost about 4 rounds because either the team is stacked or the wont be able to win without money. But that is the admin's choice

with love,

Zander
Author:  Kwang! [ Fri Mar 16, 2012 1:29 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Css Server Additions
I've proposed a 2 second buffer before but it got shot down. Your three second buffer will likely get shot down too. Reason? "This is n00bfest."

The map rotation is shitty as F*CK but that's because maps that should be vote-only are in the rotation and some of the people who influenced the voting hardly ever play the game anyway. Kismayo sucks tits and Vertigo rocks but it's a server killer. I prefer Aztec over Italy but I like Italy too. Train is better than both. cpl_mill should never have gotten cut.

I get annoyed at all-talk but only when I'm being a try-hard. Most of the time I play without sound anyway.

The money thing is a non-issue because this is n00bfest.

The whole auto-assign is bullshit. What we should do is pay attention to who likes to stack the easy team and just slay the F*CK out of them until they learn. (hi State and Natural Stoner)
Author:  Hito [ Fri Mar 16, 2012 10:32 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Css Server Additions
Zander you pretty much answered exactly how I would have so there's no point for me to continue what u said. As for kwang. Don't forget Aldo in the whole stacking thing.
Author:  Montreal [ Fri Mar 16, 2012 10:47 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Css Server Additions
Auto-assign can still stack the teams. It will be random, but it's still possible. At least if it's not auto-assign then good players can (and should) wait until most people have chosen a side, then choose accordingly in order to make it as even as possible.

As for the 3 second timer, I think the higher ups don't like that because it's less realistic and it takes away the 2-3 second advantage that quick buyers have. Speaking of buying, I don't know why people can't just press B-A or B-S and be out of spawn in 2 seconds.

The map rotation was changed not too long ago, I doubt anyone will be keen on the idea of changing it again (but who knows, I could be wrong).

I strongly doubt that all-talk will get changed. It's been that way for as long as I can remember (and probably much longer). Plus, n00bfest is a pub, we're here to have fun. If you want to talk strategy and get serious, you should find another server to practice that on, or wait until the n00bfest tournaments!!!
Author:  DaveThomas [ Fri Mar 16, 2012 4:38 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Css Server Additions
with regards to all talk, i dont see why people cant just talk shit when theyre dead. all talk off when alive/ on when dead. this also can save admins from having to discipline for people talking when dead which happens a lot.

davey-t
Author:  Zander [ Fri Mar 16, 2012 5:06 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Css Server Additions
DaveThomas wrote:
with regards to all talk, i dont see why people cant just talk shit when theyre dead. all talk off when alive/ on when dead. this also can save admins from having to discipline for people talking when dead which happens a lot.

davey-t


True. That would be interesting. I don't know how that would work but it would be a very different playing style than a normal pub would have.
Author:  Kwang! [ Fri Mar 16, 2012 5:24 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Css Server Additions
Zander wrote:
DaveThomas wrote:
with regards to all talk, i dont see why people cant just talk shit when theyre dead. all talk off when alive/ on when dead. this also can save admins from having to discipline for people talking when dead which happens a lot.

davey-t


True. That would be interesting. I don't know how that would work but it would be a very different playing style than a normal pub would have.


The server I used to admin before I joined n00bfest (OverclockedLAN, it was ranked the #1 CSS server in the entire world while it was around) had dead-talk and it worked amazingly well. You would have all-talk off while alive and on while dead and when people were dead it was like what the pub would be like if people weren't also focused on pwning faces and trying to hold a conversation. It sort-of segregated things just enough to maintain a balance.

While on the topic of all this stuff, another thing we did at OverclockedLAN that worked out great was after a certain hour of the night (once shit dropped off, on a set mathematical average) the server would go from rotation to d2 only. It would then automatically switch back to rotation when the mathematical average time for re-population of regs came around.
Author:  yay [ Sat Mar 17, 2012 12:13 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Css Server Additions
The buy zone is one of the most frustrating things about this game. I've never seen so many slow buyers until i started to play source. It's truly amazing to me every time i see people standing there for four or five seconds, deciding to buy the same thing they got last round. The frustration comes from being stuck in the center of these players. A 1 second freeze time wouldn't change too much, but it would help out a lot. Plus it would stop players being slayed from the accidental team attack at the beginning of the round, tho i do get some amusement out of that.
Author:  -Purple- [ Sat Mar 17, 2012 12:40 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Css Server Additions
HEY DAVE!! While we appreciate you input, you must realize the fact that this server and community have been running with the settings you see in place for a very long time. And those settings are the reason our server thrives. In fact, even though you desire some changes to our server, you still play here and have a fun time, right? Once you get past the "OMG I must hear everything to play like the badass that I am" phase, you really start to enjoy having all-talk on, because you get to chat with a bunch of people and make some online bros. Yes, there are some conversations or people that may get annoying, but for the most part all-talk brings the community together.

Money is used to even teams when one team is dominating, or sometimes at random if the admin is feeling generous. It's money, so people can buy the weapons they want and have more fun, get over it.

Freeze time at the beginning of the round is a highly debatable topic. The server had a 1-second freeze time for a short while, and the majority of people hated it. Suggestions would be learn how to buy fast, bind your favorite buy-outs, press "rebuy", etc.

Auto-assign doesn't work for reasons stated.

Map rotation comes up frequently, and n00bfest does listen to its people. Please see THIS TOPIC to see how this is handled. If you have suggestions for map rotation changes (Notice i said suggestions, and not just crying about how you hate the current rotation. Don't be a whining little bitch about it.), you can feel free to post them in a separate topic to see if you can get some support. The rotation isn't changed too often, because it is a hassle for our upper admins, and we want the rotation to have enough time being played to see how good/bad maps are with server traffic.

Some of the more advanced changes that get suggested for server improvements tend to be good ideas, which also require building scripts in order for them to work. While this is possible, the recent changes to CSS over the past couple of years have severely hurt the server performance when running scripts, especially when there are multiple scripts running. We have seen lots of server lag and the need for excessive restarting of the server, which is counter productive. You can thank the wonderful team at Valve for this.

TL;DR your input is appreciated, but none of your suggestions will be implemented. Have a nice day!
Author:  Jason0885 [ Sat Mar 17, 2012 10:47 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Css Server Additions
-Purple- wrote:
TL;DR your input is appreciated, but none of your suggestions will be implemented. Have a nice day!


Sorry but, ROFLCOPTER. I liked that purple.
Author:  Amerijuanican Dreams [ Sun Mar 18, 2012 8:03 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Css Server Additions
DaveThomas wrote:
ahh forgot one.
i also feel that admins give out too much money.



In my completely worthless opinion, giving money to the losing team and shuffling around players are the only two ways teams should be made "even". If you have 16k every round, your only excuse for getting raped is being bad. Recently I've seen a lot of the winning teams/players getting punished to "even the score", but who really cares about the score on a pub if you all have money to get good guns?

Occasionally getting slapped down to 1hp at the beginning of a round, or making someones heath OVER 9000 is funny. But I'm here to play, and when I get fucked over multiple rounds in a row by mani admin I tend to rage quit. Usually this is not a problem, but sometimes I feel it can get a bit outa hand, and really doesn't accomplish anything.
Author:  Rokatanski [ Sun Mar 18, 2012 8:50 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Css Server Additions
ya. who really cares about getting destroyed 15 rounds in a row, long as they can have an m4. You're annoying.
Author:  Amerijuanican Dreams [ Sun Mar 18, 2012 10:14 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Css Server Additions
Rokatanski wrote:
ya. who really cares about getting destroyed 15 rounds in a row, long as they can have an m4. You're annoying.


me? wasn't trying to annoy anyone...

what I'm saying is you shouldn't get destroyed 15 rounds in a row if you have money and the teams are somewhat even... I don't know about you but id rather lose a round then win cause the other-side is blind or something
Author:  Reborn [ Sun Mar 18, 2012 12:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Css Server Additions
Amerijuanican Dreams wrote:
Rokatanski wrote:
ya. who really cares about getting destroyed 15 rounds in a row, long as they can have an m4. You're annoying.


me? wasn't trying to annoy anyone...

what I'm saying is you shouldn't get destroyed 15 rounds in a row if you have money and the teams are somewhat even... I don't know about you but id rather lose a round then win cause the other-side is blind or something


That's you. What normally happens when a team constantly loses is that most people in that team feel frustrated enough to just quit, and that the server ends up with 10 people. The purpose of giving money is to increase their odds of winning a round. If it still doesn't help, some times the other team is "punished" only so that the constantly losing team can win a round and increase their morale. This is only done sparingly, especially if there is still no change even after skilled n00bs from the winning team switch to the losing team to help them out.

Even when you have skilled players in a team, sometimes you never win a round because of several factors like map imbalance etc., but the most important one being the opposing team having an unstoppable momentum. We at the n00bfest pub want the underdogs to have some fun too, instead of being constantly steamrolled. It has worked well for several years.
Author:  JoeMamma [ Sun Mar 18, 2012 12:45 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Css Server Additions
Here's my opinion: F*CK what these try-hards say. I LOVE it when those faggots start bitching and crying when I take all their money away or leave them with 1hp for a few rounds when it's 9-0 or whatever. It actually makes me do it even more and laugh about it.
I'm with all the other admins in here...we do what we do to even things out. If you guys can't take a few rounds of not winning, n00bfest probably is NOT the best place for you.
As for everything else, I'm pretty sure we've covered it all already. All-talk will NEVER go off in the server. It's been brought up so many times in the eight years that I've been around here and gotten shot down every single time. Freeze times: same thing. We tried it and hated it...never again.

EDIT: My post does not server any kind of purpose in this thread other than a rant against try-hards Yellow_Flash_Colorz_PDT_02
Author:  Amerijuanican Dreams [ Sun Mar 18, 2012 1:20 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Css Server Additions
Hey I feel ya... like i said before, it usually doesn't bother me because its usually done, as you said, "sparingly". Yall do a better job then most servers at keeping it even. ♥ I wasn't trying to call out admins, or start some gay ass edrama... just saying that sometimes it can be frustrating when it happens a lot. and that often money and some motivation is all a team needs. I don't care about losing... I just wanna play counterstrike!
Author:  Jason0885 [ Sun Mar 18, 2012 6:44 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Css Server Additions
[quote="Amerijuanican Dreams] I don't care about losing... I just wanna play counterstrike![/quote]

That sums me up pretty good, too.
Author:  honestly? [ Mon Mar 19, 2012 12:59 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Css Server Additions
Kwang! wrote:
The whole auto-assign is bullshit. What we should do is pay attention to who likes to stack the easy team and just slay the F*CK out of them until they learn. (hi State and Natural Stoner)


You forgot infamous and aldo lol.

A lot of the stuff that dave brought up has been brought up in the past and shut down. I brought up quite a few when I was new to the community.

I agree with having a short freeze time at the beginning of the round. Everything else is pretty minor and will probably never change.

Map rotation is always under scrutiny and has changed and is pretty good. Its a little too large and one of my fav maps was removed (mill) but it doesnt stop me from n00bfest being the server 99% of my source time.
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